Centene and the Case For the Clayton YIMBYs, But

Centene and the Case For the Clayton YIMBYs, But

Last week we wrote about the Centene corporate campus project in Clayton, offering a critique of the plan as well as a glimpse at the opposition, often labeled as NIMBYs (Not In My Backyard). Other than hipsters, NIMBYs may be the easiest identity to caricature. Some times the caricature is fair, sometimes it’s not, and sometimes it’s just funny.

[How Centene’s $770M Clayton Corporate Campus Project and NIMBY Opposition Fall Short]

But with a project the size of Centene’s, a fuller view of the “opposition” is necessary. Recently, the term YIMBY (Yes In My Backyard) has sprung up. There’s even a Maplewood YIMBY Facebook group that promotes what they would like to see instead of just what they don’t want. In Clayton, perhaps a more nuanced view of community input on the Centene project would be labeled YIMBY, but…

There’s a very fine line here of course. If you say you’re pro-development but offer unrealistic, unworkable demands, well, you’re really a NIMBY. The city’s master plan and zoning are important guides, but arguing against any and all exceptions can be shortsighted.

Centene feature 8-16-16

In short, the better NIMBY, or YIMBY, but… arguments are that the Centene plan doesn’t follow the Clayton Master Plan, and that the project should be “rightsized”, or that Centene should build only what it “needs” or would occupy, and not additional space to lease to tenants.

CaptureReading through the presentation presented by “Residents of the Crescent Condominiums” (full presentation PDF), there are several points that are particularly well reasoned:

  • The Centene plan provides four percent of the new development as residential and less than one percent as retail. This is not a mixed-use development.
  • The tunnels, walkways and garages proposed by Centene for its employees do not foster pedestrian traffic.
  • Oversized parking garages are inconsistent with the Master Plan and everything the city envisioned for a major city street like Forsyth as the eastern gateway to the Central Business District.

The solutions offered are more subjective, and can be less well reasoned. Among the group’s conclusions for “a win/win for Centene and the entire community”: moving the Hanley Tower closer to Forsyth and reducing its size and scale, reducing size and scale of parking garages, and requiring smaller buildings.

A video posted to the Residents for Respectful Clayton Development Facebook page attempts to present a view of the proposed Hanley tower, Centene renderings are shown below:

Centene video capture Centene ClaytonCentene Clayton

Another suggestion, that Centene should be “adding green space between the Forsyth garages and in other areas throughout the proposed development”, is not well articulated, if not just wrong. Not more, but purposeful, useful, active “green space” is needed. The planned plazas are not that.

Centene 10{proposed “urban plazas” and green space}


While financing details for the project have not been outlined, it would seem clear that it will rely on tenant rent. With an average rent of more than $32 per sf, the current Centene tower is the most expensive building in the region. According to Jones Lang LaSalle, Forsyth Boulevard is home to the most expensive office space in the state, and is the 30th most expensive street in the nation.

Asking that Centene only build for itself is likely not a workable solution for the company. In fact, the resident’s call to give “very careful consideration” to incentives requested by Centene, and suggesting that a smaller project would reduce cost and subsidy, may be exactly backwards.

The full August 16 press release from Residents for Respectful Clayton Development is below, as is the full presentation from the August 15 hearing.


August 16 press release:

Clayton Residents Release Request for City to “Rightsize” Centene Development for Benefit of the Entire Clayton Community

Residents of The Crescent Condominiums Presented Report To Clayton City Officials Today

August 16, 2016, Clayton, Mo. – Today, residents of The Crescent Condominiums in Clayton presented a report to the City of Clayton outlining their concerns and potential solutions for rightsizing the Centene Development currently under review by the city.

“The residents of The Crescent Condominiums in Clayton welcome a development that supports the growth and potential outlined by Centene,” said Barb Abbett, a resident of The Crescent on Carondelet Plaza next to where phase I of the development is being proposed. “However the development must also be respectful of surrounding areas and consistent with the Clayton Master Plan.” According to the Master Plan, the vision for the Forsyth Village District (the part of Clayton in which this development would be located) is to create a dense, walkable, mixed use district including a significant new urban residential development oriented around the Forsyth MetroLink Station with appropriate connection to the existing development at Carondelet Plaza and the adjacent neighborhoods. Residents claim that “Centene is cherry-picking the parts of the Master Plan that support their desired development only, and the development is not in the best interests of the entire Clayton community.”

The report outlines many of the concerns Clayton residents have with the development, including:

  • The development is NOT aligned with the Clayton Master Plan
  • The scale and scope of the development are too massive
  • Centene is expanding beyond its own defined growth needs
  • Traffic concerns affecting Clayton could be alleviated by rightsizing
  • The Centene proposal does not foster pedestrian-friendly streets
  • Rightsizing the development is a Win/Win for Centene and the entire Clayton community

“The City of Clayton belongs to all of its residents and businesses
– not one company or one resident.”

The report states the City of Clayton can accommodate the business and growth objectives of Centene Corporation and preserve the harmony between businesses and residents by:

  • Moving the Hanley Tower closer to Forsyth Boulevard and reducing the size and scale of the Hanley Tower to meet, but not exceed, the future defined growth of Centene.
  • Reducing the size and scale of the parking garages to accommodate, but not exceed, retail parking needs and defined Centene growth. This would reduce the number of cars by more than half and provide a viable solution for many issues created by this development.
  • Requiring smaller buildings because, as presently designed, the space behind the Hanley Tower, the parking garages and the Crescent does not provide enough space for loading and unloading of trucks for the Hanley Tower, while preserving ready access for the Crescent and the new residents proposed by Centene.
  • Adding green space between the Forsyth garages and in other areas throughout the proposed development.
  • Giving very careful consideration to Centene’s request for public assistance/incentives for the overall project. Reducing the size and consequently the cost of this development may also decrease Centene’s request for such assistance.

To learn more and get involved, visit us Facebook at Residents for Respectful Clayton Development.



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